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 Posted: Sat Oct 14th, 2006 09:46 pm
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It is about the future of fishing. The same AR extremists that are trying to stop hunting have already announced that sport fishing is part of their ultimate goal. Support Prop 3.

We will have signs and fliers at the meeting on the 18th. If you want one or more just say so. No one is going to ram them down on you even though the issue is much more important than many have wanted to admit.

If nothing else, come to the meeting  and bring some magazines for the servicemen and women.




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Here's an article from this month's Walleye World.

This coming election day, Tuesday, November 7, sportsmen need to be aware of two proposals on the ballot that could have far ranging effects on outdoor sports in Michigan, Proposal 1 and Proposal 3.

Proposal 1 is “A proposed constitutional amendment to require that money held in conservation and recreation funds can only be used for their intended purpose.” This proposal will constitutionally guarantee that fees such as hunting and fishing license fees, boating and ORV registration fees, camping fees and others would only be spent for services related to the users that paid them and not be raided for any other purpose.

It’s easy to see why many legislators are against this proposal but, to me, it’s a no-brainer. Anyone who pays fees to enjoy their outdoor recreation should vote yes on Proposal 1 to guarantee the money they pay is used for the activities they love.

Proposal 3 would allow the establishment of a dove hunting season in Michigan as originally established through Public Act 160 of 2004. This proposal would: authorize a hunting season for mourning doves and require the DNR develop management strategies for the mourning dove season; create a $2 mourning dove stamp hunters would be required to have along with their small game license; the money collected form the sale of the stamp would be evenly split between the Game and Fish Protection Fund and the Fish and Wildlife Trust Fund generating money to manage both game and non-game species.

But there’s a lot more than re-establishing a mourning dove season going on here.

The referendum that brought this proposal to the voters was created and pushed by national anti-hunting and anti-fishing organizations. Organizations like the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and Fund for Animals, wanting to see this proposal fail giving them a foothold in this state. The HSUS, the top financial supporter and driving force behind the referendum, whose financial support more than doubles that of all other supporters combined, is squarely against hunting and fishing and is working to end all hunting worldwide. One visit to their web site will show you what their true intentions are.

These organizations, along with PETA and others, tried similar tactics in 1996 when they pushed to end bear hunting in Michigan and failed.

The facts on the proposed mourning dove season are simple:

The United States recognizes and manages (through the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service) the mourning dove as a migratory game bird;

40 other states have established mourning dove seasons;

Being migratory birds, the same doves that visit Michigan also travel through and winter in many of these states where they are hunted;

Studies performed in states where hunting of doves is allowed show that hunting them has no negative impact on their population;

Michigan is missing out on much needed revenue when Michigan hunters are forced to go to other states like Ohio and Indiana to hunt mourning doves.

Doves taste delicious, make great table fare and are enjoyed by millions annually.

Vote YES on Proposals 1 & 3 and support Michigan’s outdoor heritage.

 



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 Posted: Sun Oct 15th, 2006 08:06 pm
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Found on another msg board:

DOVE HUNTING IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG

Anti-Hunting organizations make no bones about it – they’re out to ban all hunting in America! They tell their members the plan is to start with the easiest “sell” – trapping, bear hunting with hounds and dove hunting. Then they say they’ll move on to pheasants, wild turkeys, grouse, deer and ultimately fishing! That’s why they’ve placed a voter issue on Michigan’s November 2006 ballot to ban all dove hunting.

The most powerful anti-hunting organization in America is behind the push to ban dove hunting. In January of 2005, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), the nation’s largest animal rights organization merged with the Fund for Animals, the most radical anti-hunting organization. The newly formed Humane Society of the United States – Fund for Animals listed the elimination of dove hunting in Michigan as its top But they didn’t stop there. They also listed banning bowhunting as a priority.

Not to be confused with your local dog and cat shelter, the HSUS, located in Washington, D.C., has nearly $100 million in annual revenue at its disposal to take your hunting rights away. It doesn’t operate a single animal shelter and lobbies aggressively to end hunting in America.


They've Set Their Sights On Michigan!
Why Have They Targeted Dove Hunting?

The anti’s believe it is the weakest link in Michigan's hunting tradition. Because it is brand new, not many hunters have hunted mourning doves in Michigan. The anti’s believe that hunters will not care enough about the issue to fight. They are counting on it.

Their whole game plan hinges on you, the hunter. If sportsmen think this issue does not matter because they don’t hunt doves, then we will lose. We lose much more than dove hunting. Across the country, when the anti’s win in a state, they come back again and again stripping away more hunting rights. Once they deal a crippling blow to Michigan’s hunting community over doves, they will attack more. They’ve stated bowhunting is a priority, but who knows. They could want a rematch over bear hunting. Or, they could attack trapping, as has been done in several states. Only one thing is for sure. They will be back to finish off a wounded hunting community.

We can’t let that happen. This issue is not about dove hunting. It’s
about ALL hunting. The most effective way to stop the anti’s from attacking bowhunting, turkey hunting, deer hunting, all hunting, is to stop them now.

DOVE HUNTING IS GOOD CONSERVATION!
Over the next year, the anti’s will be using their propaganda machine to attack dove hunting as a smoke screen to cover up their real agenda. The truth is dove hunting is good conservation.

Doves Are Abundant
According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, mourning doves are the most abundant game bird in the U.S. – there are over 475 million of them! That is more than all species of ducks and geese, combined, and more than all of the species of starlings in America. Michigan hosts some six million doves each year. Doves nest several times each season. Each nesting produces two young. A pair of adult doves raise an average of four young each season. Mourning doves are among the most prolific breeders of all birds and, can nest in a variety of habitats. This is a major reason for their abundance.

Hunted Or Not, Doves Don't Live Long
Whether taken by a hunter or not, a dove does not live very long – about
one year. More than half of the dove population dies within any 12-month period. Wildlife professionals maintain that, when hunted, there will be just as many doves next year as this year because they breed so prolifically. Mourning doves have a natural mortality rate of over 50 percent each year through predation, disease, bad weather conditions and accidents. Hunting accounts for less than 10 percent of the dove population’s mortality each year.

Conservation Professionals Support Dove Hunting
The Michigan Department of Natural Resources (DNR) is the agency
responsible for the health and abundance of Michigan’s dove population. Like those of every other conservation department in America, the
professional biologists of our DNR say that hunting doves is not at all harmful to the species’ future, as long as they are managed correctly.
For over 75 years, dove populations have been regulated by international treaty. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service permits all the states to set hunting seasons within a scientific framework designed to ensure a healthy, abundant dove population each year.

Doves Are Abundant - America's Favorite Game Bird
Nearly 2.5 million people hunt doves each year in America. More hunters
go after doves than hunt ducks each year! They are hunted in 41 states
including all states bordering Michigan. The mild early autumn dove hunting season provides a perfect time to involve youngsters, the aged and disabled people in hunting. Doves, which are acrobatic in flight and reach speeds of up to 55 mph, are the most challenging game bird.

Doves Are Good Eating
The dove's delectable flavor has helped to make it America's Number
One game bird. A dove averages a quarter pound in weight, the same size as America's most popular hamburger. Two or three make for filling and delicious table fare. Fried, broiled, barbecued or baked, the dove's tender meat is highly prized and the subject of hundreds of recipes in wild game cookbooks.

Hunters, fishermen, trappers, farmers, wildlife biologists, scientists, and others who reject animal rights have joined together to fight back under one banner – Citizens for Wildlife Conservation.


Citizens for Wildlife Conservation is the official organization established to defeat the anti's. It is a coalition of concerned sportsmen and others for action in each of Michigan’s 75 counties. The goal of Citizens for Wildlife Conservation is to raise $3.2 million to defeat the anti-hunters’ attempt to bring their animal rights crusade to Michigan. The money will be used to purchase advertising designed to educate Michigan voters as to the serious threat posed by the anti-dove hunting issue.


Among the leaders of the campaign are the top pro-hunting organizations in the United States and in Michigan. The Michigan United Conservation Clubs, Michigan Bear Hunters Association, Michigan Chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation National Rifle Association, Safari Club International and the U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance have joined forces with the Citizens for Wildlife Conservation - Organized to Defeat Anti-Hunters.



We're on a mission to recruit every sportsman and sportsmen's organization in Michigan to join Citizens for Wildlife Conservation. If Michigan’s hunting community unites to stop the real agenda of the anti’s, then we will raise the funds necessary to win. It all starts with the individual hunter. Before this campaign is over we will need thousands of volunteers spreading the word, raising money, registering voters and more. You can make this happen with your support. We are now accepting donations and are in need of volunteer campaign workers statewide. Send contributions and offers of assistance to: Citizens for Wildlife Conservation, 5859 W. Saginaw Highway ~ PMB 341, Lansing, MI 48917. Phone (517) 371-1041.



from: http://www.mucc.org/DoveHunting2006.htm



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 Posted: Tue Oct 24th, 2006 03:22 pm
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Just wated to keep this in front of everyone.

If you've seen the tv commercials and heard them on the radio you know the anti-hunting and anti-fishing fanatics are forcing their lies and misinformation down the throats of an uneducated public. It's up to us, each and everyone of us, to give the facts on this issue to our friends, relatives, neighbors and co-workers. Let's make sure the lies of the antis aren't the only thing they hear.

Heres some more information on the support of Proposal 3.

Bitter rivals campaigning for Michigan’s top job agree that sportsmen should be permitted to hunt the nation’s number one gamebird, the mourning dove.

Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and republican challenger Dick DeVos have spent millions of dollars pointing out their respective differences on many issues facing Michigan voters. When it comes to Proposal 3, which will determine whether Michigan sportsmen will be permitted to hunt mourning doves, both candidates support a Yes vote on the issue.

In 2004, Gov. Granholm signed the law that made Michigan the 41st state to permit dove hunting. Soon after, anti-hunting organizations funded a paid signature drive to send the issue to the ballot. The governor continues to stand by her decision to permit the hunt, saying that she supported the law because she supports sound science. When asked if her statement meant that she supports a Yes vote on Proposal 3, her staff confirmed that is the case.

Dick DeVos has demonstrated support for Proposal 3 several times in recent weeks. A mailer to sportsmen from DeVos reads, “Supports the rights of Michigan sportsmen and women across the state to hunt mourning doves. Supports a Yes vote on the passage of Proposal 3.”

“This rare agreement from the candidates demonstrates that the emotional arguments of opponents of Proposal 3 have failed in their attempts to mislead Michigan voters and opinion leaders,” said Marc Somers, chairman of Citizens for Wildlife Conservation Committee. “Michigan hunters pump millions into the state’s economy, and once this hunt is firmly established, it will produce nearly $18 million every year into our state’s economy. We can’t allow an opportunity like this to get away just because a few extremists want to stop all hunting.”

Somers’ statement refers to a national anti-hunting group that has bankrolled the campaign to stop the dove hunt. The Humane Society of the United States, which has contributed nearly three-fourths of the funding to ban the hunt, touts opposition to all recreational hunting. The organization was also a major contributor to a ballot issue in 1996 that would have banned the most effective means of controlling Michigan’s black bear population.


The Michigan Chamber of Commerce has also come out in support of Proposal three.

Why?

Because it "allows wildlife policy to continue to be set by the experts at the Natural Resources Commission, instead of by the whims of interest groups. Hunting, fishing and wildlife management experts should be the ones who make the decisions based on sound science."

Almost the exact wording of Proposal G that was passed in Michigan by a 2 to 1 majority of voters back in 1996.

For this reason and all the others brought up in this thread, we should vote YES on proposal 3.



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